Child Case Study 5B

​ADHD, Autism, Attention Issues, Dietary Limitation, Sensory Issues, Speech Delay.

"After one month, his mood became more stable. Three months later, better control of his temperament.

​Sleeping much better. Less crying. No throwing of things and less tantrum.
​No hitting of the wall nor his own head.” 
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~ Mdm Wai

Background Info

5yo Boy H (Johor, Malaysia)

Medical history: ADHD, Autism, Attention Issues, Dietary Limitation, Sensory Issues, Speech Delay, Non-verbal, Short attention span, Moderate Autism.

3.9.19
​Started koo energy Sleep Therapy.

Before

Hand gesture communication. Prompts. Hi-Five. Bye-bye. Not interested in handphone. Stopped parents from using handphone. Short attention span. Basketball and car racing.

Short attention span - About 45 mins - Impatient - Line up - Antisocial - Pacing up and down - Frustrated - No sense of danger.

Zero reading - Like reading to the air - Ignore you.

Excitable at night - Difficult to fall asleep - till 1 or 2am - Recently crying after lights off.

Napping - Not everyday.

After 2 Weeks

1.10.19
After 2 week of Sleep Therapy, Aunt shared about her observation of her nephew:

2 way communication of boy over video call - Eye contact, sitting still, 'talked', deep sleep.

After 3 Months

3.12.19
Watch respective video interviews:

Improvement - Fever and vomit - More conscious - Say "Apple", "Gong", "Po", "Pa" - Can hear more clearly, less crying, can copy, much better sleep and energy.

Can make noise - Call out accurately "Ah Gong".

Much better temperament - Better control of mood - No more diarrhoea after meals.

Less tantrums - No more hitting of the wall or the floor.

No more hitting of the wall or floor or his own head even when angry.

Detox reaction - Waking up in the middle of the night.

Detox reaction - Fever.

Prefers dry food - Slowly introducing fruits.

After 6 Months

4.3.20
​After 6 months of Sleep Therapy, Aunt shared her nephew's status:

Aunt shared how boy expressed his joy during WeChat verbal exchange.

​Interview Transcript

BEFORE koo energy Sleep Therapy

1. Communication (B4) Hand Gesture. Prompts. Hi-Five. Bye-bye. Not interested in Handphone. Stopped Parents from using Handphone. Short Attention Span. Basketball and Car Racing F1.

Consultant: How does he express himself if he wants something?
Father: He will pull us to whatever he wants.

Consultant: How will he react, if you get it right?
Father: Normally, I will ask him "Do you want this?" He will nod his head if he wants. 

Consultant: Have you tried using Picture Exchange Cards?
Father: I have tried before, but it was useless to him.

Consultant: Did the teacher teach how to use it? 
Father: Yes

Consultant: Did it work?
Father: He would not even take a look at it. 

Consultant: What about sign language?
Father: "Best at High-five gesture. Lately, he knows how to say bye bey. Not sure where he learns it from.

Consultant: Does he have a habit of watching YouTube?
Father: "He doesn't like looking nor playing on the phone at all."

Consultant: That is good.
Father: But he will stop us from using the phone, or just use his fingers to scroll down.

Consultant: He stops you from using the handphone?
Mother: He wants us to keep him company, instead of using our handphone.

Consultant: Do you have the habit of giving him the handphone?
Father: No, he is not interested at all.
Grandfather: Sometimes when he gets our handphone, he always does this - swipe the phone. He learned this posture somehow.
Father: He will throw the phone if gets it.
Mother: Not throw, just flip it off.

Consultant: How about watching television?
Grandfather: Not for long.
Mother: He is not interested in TV.
Father: He used to be interested before he turned two and half years old.

Grandfather: Sometimes, if it is more appealing like basketball, soccer or racing, he will take a look for a while.

Consultant: Is it because of the loud sound of car racing, that is why he likes it?
Father: He likes the colour.
Grandfather: He will look at it too. Since young, he likes to watch F1 racing and soccer. Before two and half years old, he behaved no different from any other kid.

Consultant: Does he have the habit of listening to the radio?
Mother: Yes, he will listen to the radio when it is turned on.

Consultant: He might be having a little visual issue, although he does not seem to have any hearing issue.
Father:  He is capable of learning anything, even threading the needle.

Consultant: He may fluctuate between the extreme of being over sensitive and lack of sensitivity.

2. Short Attention Span - about 45 mins - impatient - line up - antisocial -pacing up and down -frustrated - no sense of danger

Consultant: How long does he watch it?
Grandfather: "It's about five minutes. If it's more appealing, like football or F1, he will watch longer. For other things, he will look at it on and off. If we play some songs, he seems to like it. Not that he will pay total attention, but he will come and watch a bit here and there, in the midst of his play.

Consultant: It's just short attention span. 
Grandpa: Before he was two years old, he had a good memory. It seemed that he knew all the songs and the movements. But not anymore.
Father: "ABCDEFG..."

Consultant: He already knew his alphabets back then?
Grandpa: "He can sing, he can sing! He can sing when he was young, and sing along."

Consultant: These are actually already in his memory, but he has no way to express it. Does he play by himself every time? Will you still interact with you?

Father: He plays by himself.
Grandfather: "Sometimes we play with him at home.

Consultant: Will he want you to play with him?
Mother: Yes.
Father: He will hold our hands.

Consultant: Does he have a routine at play? Like lining up the toys?
Father: He used to build bricks. Lately no more. No patience.

Consultant: Do you mean he will throw tantrums?
Father: He wants to stack very high, but everything must be very neat.

Consultant: Can he play with his brother?
Mother: Depends on his mood.

Consultant: If he is not in a good mood, what will he do to his brother?
Mother: He will not hit his brother, but he just runs off. If he is in good mood, he will give in to his brother. Otherwise, he will snatch the thing back from his brother.

Consultant: Does he 'sayang' his brother?
Mother: Yes, sometimes he will kiss his brother.
Grandfather: Yes, he displays sign of affection towards his brother.

Consultant:  Did the teacher give you feedback on how he is playing with other children?
Mother: Yes.
Father: "There was a parent meeting not long ago. The teacher told us that he has made progress and advised us to pay attention to his toilet training. He is not mixing with the rest.

Mother: After school, there is a waiting area for parents' pickup. He usually wanders there by himself after school.

Consultant: Walk around, will he run away?
Mother: He won't run away, he just walks around the toy area.
Grandfather: He is just being impatient.

Consultant: I understand, just pacing up and down up and down.
Mother: "He couldn't wait, so he walked around with his schoolbag on his back."

Consultant: He knows he is going home soon.
Father: I used to bring him to this shopping centre with many balls for kids to play with. He did not like last time. But last weekend, we revisited and he likes it very much.

didn't like the kid we took him to the shopping centre with a lot of balls. Now I took him there last week. He likes it very much."

Consultant: Does he prefer indoor or outdoor?
Mother: Both are fine.

Consultant:  You mentioned that he has to go to the park every morning?
Father: If he goes to school, he won't. If he is at home, we will take him to the park every morning."

Consultant: How do you know he wants to go out?
Father: He will take the house key, or just pull me.

Consultant: He knows how to differentiate the keys?
Father: Yes, he knows the key to the motorcycle and that of the car.

Consultant: So you need the key to the motorcycle to go to the park?
Father: Most of the time, he wants to sit in the car.

Consultant: He knows when to get down from the car?
Grandfather: Normally we do not stop the car at the park.

Consultant: He will open the car door on his own?
Father: Yes, he will get down himself.

Consultant: When he plays on the swing, does he play on his own or let you push him?
Grandfather: He plays on his own.

Consultant: When he is outdoors, is he aware of danger?
Father: "No. If you let him run, he will run by himself, there is no sense of danger at all.

Consultant: Will you get lost?
Father: I think so.

Consultant: Has it ever happened before?
Mother: "No, because we always keep an eye on  him.

Consultant: Have you ever brought him to the beach or hiking?
Father: Yes, when he was very young. He would always rush to the sea without a sense of safety. He is not afraid of the water.

3. Zero Reading - Like reading to the air - Ignore You

Consultant: Do you read to him?
Dad: "No, zero. No matter how we read it, we are just talking to the air. He totally ignores us. There was a period of time when he was looking at cards. Just staring and mumbling on his own.

Consultant: How about at school? Does the teacher feedback whether he will sit down and listen in class?
Mother: Basically in this school, children like them have not yet reached that level.
Dad: The teacher said to let him learn slowly.

Consultant: But if the teacher tells a story, he will sit? Still stand up?
Father: We don't know what he is being taught in school.

Generally, these teachers of ours should have some feedback about whether he sat down or not. It is difficult to judge whether he has sat down.
Mother: He can sit down, I guess.

Consultant: Does he always go to the toilet?
Mother: No.
Grandpa: His school usually doesn't report about every day events. Only if there is sports day or others. so I tell you. It seems that he participated in their cake making.
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4. Excitable at night - Difficult to fall asleep - till 1 or 2am - Recently crying after lights off

Consultant: What time does he sleep?
Father: We usually take him to bed at 10:30 in the evening.
Grandfather: I find this child gets more excited at ten o'clock, and it's harder for him to fall sleep. Sometimes, even awake till 1 or 2 o'clock.
Father: This is probably what you were saying about physical stimulus.
Grandfather: He has problem waking up in the morning.

Consultant: Does he kick a fuss if you wake him up in the morning?
Grandfather: "We will pull him up, not a problem. We tell him time for school, he will wake up and come downstairs with us, no problem."

Consultant: So he likes to go to school?
Grandfather: Right.
Mother: He likes to go to school and won't resist.

Consultant: Does he toss and turn in his sleep?
Mother: No, he sleeps through the night.
Grandfather: He tosses and turns if he cannot fall sleep. Once he falls asleep, he sleeps soundly soon.

Consultant: What time does he get up?
Grandfather: For school days, we will wake him up at eight o'clock.

Consultant: From ten o'clock to eight o'clock, about ten hours of sleep?
Father: Take him up at half past ten. Otherwise, he continues playing.
Grandpa: He does not sleep right away. Sometimes awake all the way till midnight.

Consultant: It’s eight hours to sleep from twelve to eight.
Grandfather: At least eight hours.

Consultant: Does he wet the bed in the middle of the night?
Father: No, he is on diapers.

Consultant: Is the diaper heavy when he wakes up?
Mother: It's relatively lighter these two days.

Consultant: Why was it so?
Mother: I don't understand.
Grandpa: Perhaps drinking less water, so less urine.

Consultant: Does he move during sleep? Jerking or what?
Father: He sleeps like a normal child.

Consultant: Is it hard to wake him up?
Father: No, he wakes up easily. 
Mother: It is not difficult to wake him up.

Consultant: You mentioned that he would want you to turn on the light when he sleeps?

Mother:  Yes, these few days.

Before? Didn't you turn on the light when he was a baby?
Mother: Not when he was baby. Just these few days, it feels like he wants me to turn on the light.

Consultant: How will he react to let you know that he wants the light to be turned on? 
Mother: He cries when I turn off the light.
Grandfather: I have taken care of him since he was young. We have always turned on a small light."

Consultant: The plug-in bulb?
Grandmother: Yes, just a small bulb, convenient for us to get up to get him milk or anything. Maybe because the parents did not turn on the lights. That is why.

Consultant: Perhaps that explains the reason?
Mother: Not like that before.
Grandfather. He was not like that when he was young. Only recently.

​5. Napping - Not Everyday

​Consultant: Does he have a habit of taking a nap?
Mother: Not every day. 
Grandpa: If he has stamina, he will not take a nap. But we do ask him to nap a bit. If I bring his younger brother to nap, he will nap too.

​Consultant: Does he feel better when he naps?
Grandpa: "It will be fine."

​Consultant: How long do you sleep?
Grandma: "It varies. Sometimes it's an hour, sometimes half an hour, sometimes an hour and a half. It depends on whether he is tired or not. If he is tired, he will sleep longer."

​Consultant: Is the air conditioner turned on during a nap?
Grandma: "No, just turn on the fan."

​Consultant: Is the air conditioner turned on at night?
Mother: "Yes, there is an air conditioner." 

​Consultant: How cold is it?
Grandpa: Twenty-five degrees. 

​Consultant: Do you have a habit of covering him with a blanket?
Mother: Cover his chest only. He can't cover his feet.

Cover your chest like baby?
Mother: Well, cover your chest like this. He can kick the blanket off if we cover his feet.

​Consultant: Does he have the habit of holding a pillow?
Mother: Nothing.

​Consultant: Will he come to hold your hand when he sleeps?
Mother: No.

​Consultant: ​He sleeps independently.
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1.10.19
After 2 week of Sleep Therapy, Aunt shares his progress:
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2 way communication of little boy over video call - eye contact, sit still, 'talked', deep sleep.

"I usually call him on the phone to talk, but he would not pay attention to me. That day, he could sit quietly on the other side of the staircase, and I had eye-contact. He was trying to explain to me about his Vitagen, uttering some words. I said I also have Vitagen, he looked at his own, and continued talking. There is a two-way communication. It's not like before - he used to just glance at me, and then run away. Now, he can sit for quite a long time, about five minutes. His attention span has been extended. Much longer now.

His mother also said that he has deep sleep, which is better than before."


3.12.19
After 3 months
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1. Improvement - ever and Vomit - More Conscious - Say Apple, Gong, Po, Pa - Can hear more clearly, Less Crying, Can Copy, Much Better Sleep and Energy
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​Consultant: What improvement do you see in him?
Mother: The detox reaction is not so obvious anymore. He only had a fever once. Vomiting is also present.

Consultant: How long did the fever last?
Mother: It didn't take long for it to come down in the next day.  At that time, he was not given any medicine.

Consultant: During the detox when he had fever, was in he in good spirit? 
Mother: He just slept the whole day.

Consultant: Sleeping all the time, I remember that it was the photo you sent and he was lying there all the time. However, there was a period he was very excitable and keep wanting you to hug him?
Mother: Yes, always needs to be carried.

Consultant: How do you comfort him?
Mother: I just carry him up, sometimes massaging his chest, and patting his back.

Consultant: After this period, how was his interaction with you different? Any difference seeing mother or father?
Mother: When he sees his father, he seems happier. Next, he wants his father to pay attention to him, so he would do some small little actions.

Consultant: He will express his desire to be carried by his father?
Mother: For example,  he is usually taken upstairs to sleep after ten o'clock in the evening,. However, he knew that his father was taking a shower. He didn't want to go, just waiting for his father to come out of the toilet.

Consultant: So theres is more consciousness. In terms of his speech, is there a difference in his voice now?
Mother:  He seems to be unable to make a sound yet. Ask him to say Apple, and he utters about Apple, softly like this.

Consultant: This has something to do with his mouth. If you continues to improve, you will hear the sound. Besides Apple, what else can he say?

Mother: Po (grandmother). I found that he calls 'father' with much more speed and ease. He does not seem to like to say 'Mother'. I often hear him call 'father'.

Consultant: He can also call out 'gong' - grandfather?
Mother: Sometimes.

Consultant: What do you do if he ignores your call?
Mother: I would say, "mummy is calling you". I will raise my voice. He will realise I am calling him and he will walk over to me.

Consultant: Perhaps he could hear you better now. Now, it is a matter of whether he decides to respond to you. Recently, you took him back to your mother's house. After dinner, did you tell him to take the plates to the kitchen?
Mother: In the past, even if we told him many times to take the bowl to grandmother in the kitchen, he would not take do it - he never could respond. This time, I told him twice - "Pass the plate to grandma to wash, pass it to grandma to wash". He took it to my mother in the kitchen.

Consultant: Besides calling out 'father', 'mother', 'po', 'gong' , can he express his desire?
Mother: Yes. Sometimes, I ask him to call 'mother', he just nods his head. Asked him his name, he will also nod his head. Ask him if he wants, he will also nod his head.

Consultant: The other time you asked him if he was his brother's name?
Mother: He nodded, then quickly shook his head in denial.

Consultant: That means he is indeed thinking. Is there any difference in his behaviour before and after you return home from work?
Mother: He is very happy to see me. I always going upstairs to take a shower after I return home from work, and he will follow me upstairs. Very cooperative. Follow me upstairs and he will play by himself over the bed. Sometimes, I ask him to wait outside the bathroom, and he waits there.

Consultant: Is he crying less frequently now? Or increase?
Mother: Crying has decreased.

Consultant: He makes this sound with his tongue sound now, what is that?
Mother: Cluck cluck... da da da, such a sound. Then, he would imitate his father and stick his tongue out.

Consultant: Just now his father kept prompting him to imitate his sticking out of the tongue?
Mother: Father took his tongue out and told him, "Look at papa's nose. Stick out your tongue." He followed. At that time, I took him on the plane, and he was loud, maybe out of excitement or something. When the plane took off, he laughed, as if someone tickled him like this. Then I said "shhhh" and he looked at me, .and copied me.

Consultant: He is learning to make the sound like you do. He is trying to speak. You mentioned that he has the shape of the mouth, just not much sound. Let's monitor closely.
Mother: ok

Consultant: Just now, when he is emotional, he would throw things?
Mother: Yes, when he is angry, he can be fierce.

Consultant: Will he pick up the things that he throws?
Mother: If I scold him and order him to pick it up, he will.

Consultant: He will express his emotions, but he can control it now.
Mother: Yes.

Consultant: What is the difference in his sleep?
Mother: Much better.

Consultant: Previously, he would toss and turn?
Mother: Not tossing about. I could hear him snoring over past two night, either sleeping so sweetly or too tired.

Consultant: Perhaps he was playing more in the day. Does he sleep through the night?
Mother: Yes, he sleeps through the night.

Consultant: Waking up feeling fresh in the morning?
Mother: Yes, very fresh upon waking up.

Consultant: Any difference in his eating habit?
Mother: Still picky. If he likes the food, he will eat a lot. Otherwise, just a few bites.

Consultant: I see that he is not eating as fast as before.  Because his appetite is related to his sense of smell and taste. His eating habit will improve gradually.
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2. Can make noise - Call out accurately Ah Gong

Grandfather: This boy used to be able to talk. After two years old, he just stopped talking. It's so strange.

Consultant:  Do you see any difference over these two or three months? In terms of voice projection?
Grandfather:  I don't think there is much.

Consultant: Does he make sounds more frequently?
Grandpa: I think he is getting a little better. Sometimes I ask him to call my Ah Gong, he just can't although I can see his mouth movement. But sometimes he will call out very accurately - Ah Gong, Ah Gong.

Consultant: His throat and pharynx must be cleared a little more, so that it is easier for him to control.
Grandfather: "When he was young, he could pronounce 'brother', and even 'sister'. He could even sing songs, like ABC song, suddenly became like this, I don’t understand.

3. Much better temperament - Better Control of Mood - No more diarrhoea after meals

Grandfather:  His mood is much better. He does not throw things around. He does not throw tantrums like before

Consultant: He is more able to control his emotions now?
Grandfather: Yes, he is able to control his emotions now. He would not just flare up like the past.

Consultant: Did you just discover this reaction recently?
Grandfather: Since a month ago, his temperament became more stable.
 
Consultant: Any difference in his expression ability?
Grandfather: Other than his speech, his expression has been good. He is rather responsive.

Consultant: Is he thinking?
Grandfather: Because he is non-verbal, I cannot really tell. Generally, he can tell things apart.

Consultant: How does he express his hunger?
Grandfather: He will look for something to eat when he is hungry. He will pull our hands to wherever the food is.

Consultant: Is it different from before?
Grandpa: It is almost the same.

Consultant: Frequency? He used to be a picky eater.
Grandpa: Yes, very picky eater.

Consultant: What has changed now?
Grandpa: "It's almost the same. But now we know that he is picky, we give him different food in the morning and the night.

Consultant: You gave him more variety?
Grandpa: Well, it's the same dish. For example, if you put three dishes over there, he doesn't really want to eat each of them. If you give him only one food, he will eat them."

Consultant: In terms of eating, can he handle it on his own?
Grandfather: He can eat on his own. Just very messy. After eating, he wipe his hands on his clothes.

Consultant: How about urine?
Grandfather: Urine is no problem, he can handle it himself.

Consultant: Does he pass motion right after his meals like before?
Grandfather:  Not anymore. He only  passes motion in the late afternoon around four o'clock.

Consultant: Can he handle his motion on his own?
Grandfather: Not really.

Consultant: How does he tell you?
Grandfather: We can tell by his action that he wants to pass motion.

4. Less tantrums

Consultant: In the past, how would he vent his anger?
Grandfather: Previously, whenever he was angry, he would hit the wall, or the floor. He would also throw things around.

Consultant: What about now?
Grandfather: Now he would still throw things, but no more hitting the wall or the floor like before.

Consultant: No more such action?
Grandfather: Not so often now. Because we are around, with his parents, he seldom throws things too.

Consultant: So he acts accordingly now. When he throws things around, he would pick them up?
Grandpa: Yes, that is right. He will pick them up.

Consultant: Three months ago, he was picking things up after throwing.
Grandfather: This is his second scooter. He damaged the first.

Consultant: He is more conscious now.
Grandfather: Right, he just needs to express his emotions.

5. No more hitting of the wall or floor or his own head even when angry

Grandfather: "Now, he will hit him on the head lightly like this.

Consultant: You have to pay attention over the next two or three months. Are you saying that after sleeping on the Healing Mat, he displayed such tendency?
Grandfather: "It should be, I am not sure.

Consultant: This is likely because when he is undergoing detoxification of heavy metals, and the neurotoxin may cause him to be irritated, so he uses knocking to cover up that irritation. As if we adults have ringing of the ear, as if there is a sound in our ears, which makes you want to speak louder. Some of them will knock themselves against the ground or something.

Grandfather: It's like , he used to hit the wall when he was angry, he would hit himself, he would hit the ground.

Consultant: Exactly like he used to behave in the past, especially if he was very excited.
Grandpa: Now, he doesn't do anything like this anymore. No matter how angry he may be, he does not knock his head against the wall or the floor now.

6. Detox Reaction - Waking up in the middle of the night

Grandmother: In the middle of the night, he would sleep until two or three, three or four, and he got up and did not want to sleep anymore. But we played with him for a bit, rock his sarong and he would go back to sleep.

Consultant: He is still sleeping on the sarong?
Grandmother:: We let him sleep on the sarong first before we we move him to the bed.

Consultant: So he would wake up in the middle of the night? 
Grandmother: When he woke up in the middle of the night, we took him to sarong, he fell asleep, we moved him back to bed again.

Consultant: How often does he wake in the middle of the night?
Grandpa & Grandma: Sometimes only once a month. Sometimes two or three times a month.

Consultant: In this case, the liver is detoxifying between one to three o'clock. Therefore, when their blood is dirty, he is in need of more oxygen, which is similar to why the elderly suddenly waking up in the middle of the night. This is a sign of intensive detoxification which will go away soon. Wait for a few more weeks, some even months when another batch of heavy metals is about to be discharged, this may appear again. However, if in such a situation he gets up during the day, try to let him sleep in the day. If he gets up to play last night, you may wish to give him more sleep today, or go to bed earlier.
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7. Detox Reaction - Fever

Consultant: His younger brother had a runny nose. Did he also have running nose?
Grandfather: Not really.

Consultant: Did he have a fever?
Grandpa: Fever only once. It went away quickly.

Consultant: How long will it last?
Grandfather: One or two days. We took him to the doctor. He was ok after taking the medicine.

Consultant: So you gave him medicine?
Grandpa: Yes, we gave him some.

Consultant: Any antibiotics?
Grandpa: Yes, antibiotics with fever medicine.

Consultant: Did he have diarrhoea?
Grandfather:  Three or four times of diarrhoea.

Consultant: When he first started the Sleep Therapy, he used to sleep a lot?
Grandpa: At the beginning, he was sleeping all the time. In those first few days, he seemed so tired and fall asleep easily.

Consultant: After that, he sleeps normally?
Grandpa: Yes.

Consultant: Does he wake up in the middle of the night?
Grandfather: I don't know in the middle of the night, as he sleeps with his parent instead.

Consultant: Does he sleep well during his nap?
Grandfather: Yes, he sleeps well for a nap, but he is not supposed to nap for too long. 

Consultant: How long?
Grandfather: It's about an hour or so.

 8. Prefers Dry Food - Slowly introducing fruits

Consultant: Grandfather feeds him. Has his taste buds changed? is there any difference in what he likes now? 
Grandfather: He prefers dry food, and he doesn't like food that is too wet. 

Consultant: What about fruits? Is he eating?
Grandpa: He eats fruits. I am gradually feeding him a lot of fruits.

Consultant: What fruits does he eat?
Grandfather: "Apples, grapes.

Consultant: Does he eat papaya and watermelon?
Grandfather: Not papaya. Not watermelon. I usually buy grapes and kiwis.


4.3.20
​After 6 months of Sleep Therapy on 4.3.20, Aunt shared

How boy expressed his joy during WeChat verbal exchange
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"I see that he is communicating with me. He knows that I am his aunt. He would smile with me. On WeChat, both of us are talking. He likes it when we call him on the phone. He is very very happy to see us and talk to us."